Jacob G. Hornberger Quote

"To really get down to advancing discourse one must speak openly and in words that do not confuse the issue at hand."

I think Mike just did, Robert.  Do you 'grok' any of this? 

"We must have organisations that help those less fortunate and these organisation should be funded by government" — OK, that is YOUR idea, do the rest of us have anything to say about it?  How will the government pay the organizations (i.e. corporations)?  Is there any limit to how much the government may take from the people in order to pay the corporations to help us?  This is not the rich paying for the health care of the poor, this is everyone paying for the organizations to provide for us, and doing a crappy job at that.

Yes, you are talking about Christian Principles — an atheist wishing his government to follow Christian Principles — why?  The principles are good, but the thing is the responsibility is YOURS and MINE not a corporation of unaccountable profiteers in the victim and grievance industries.

You are right , Robert, in that a nation cannot let the poor and sick fall through the cracks, but it can never be legislated unfortunately.  If WE as a people, individually in our own capacity, offer that charity, give of ourselves, do good, as we sow so shall we reap.  That is how it works.  That is what you do, I know, and your contribution makes a difference.  Performing Christian acts for their own sake, not for anything in return.  Good for you!  You are a good man.

If you really want what you say, Robert, a republican form of government and a sovereign, responsible populace that does not employ theft to pay for the 'common good' is the best strategy.  True Liberalism puts the future of humanity in the hands of the people themselves, not centralized, pyramidal, Pharaoh's rule that all forms of Statism must have.  Socialism never works, thus requires constant propaganda to twist the plain meaning of words.  Socialist countries with Christian foundations do better than the atheist versions, but eventually, as Christian principles wane, so do the economies of the nations — Norway, Sweden, Finland, even Canada, these countries are having trouble with their socialized everything as they run out of people who share the same values.  Socialist values are predatory!  They lay claim to others' labor, money, property, speech as a 'right' — that's what you mean, Robert when you say the government should pay these organizations, as their RIGHT.  You do understand that the merging of government and corporatism is the very definition of fascism, right?

I guess it is a glass half full issue then.  I believe Life is a gift and opportunity, even though I have half a cup, it's better than nothing, and I can fill that cup if I have a mind to.  While the so-called liberals see themselves as missing half a cup, and looking at other people's cups and comparing.  They believe they are entitled to the full cup I now have because I have worked to fill it.  As well, they assume that they know what to do with my cup's 'excess.'  Does that sound about right?  Is the person ever responsible for playing the game with the hand he has been dealt? Cheers.