"While the State exists, there can be no freedom.
When there is freedom there will be no State."
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
[Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov] (1870 - 1924), First Leader of the Soviet Union
"State and Revolution", 1919
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The two are orthogonal...
 -- Anonymous, Reston, VA US     
    Regardless of how you choose to describe the relationship ... diametrically opposed, orthogonal, inverse, opposite, reversed, upside down, etc. ... more government = less freedom ... less government = more freedom. Liberals love to change the meaning of words to suit their purpose.
     -- Joe, Rochester, MI     
     -- jiff, liverpool      
    Another of history's gibbering idiots heard from.
     -- Eric, Wichita, KS     
    Eric, you've made me smile, I agree. Also, said well Joe. In the de jure U. S. republic a limited state is freedom.
     -- Mike, Norwalk     
    5 stars for telling the absolute truth. No country on Earth has yet achieved ideal Freedom or an ideal State. I guess that is the endless unfolding drama of civilization. With no State, the individual is self-governing and thus required to voluntarily uphold the virtues (please don't confuse 'virtues' with 'religion') that support Liberty for all -- a utopian ideal for sure, but what the hey, it's still worth shooting for. ;-)
     -- E Archer, NYC     
    It is fascinating the parallels with the extreme right wing in the USA
     -- Howard, New York     
    Its blunt and the truth. We must admire the dictators honesty. Today the left hides those desires and is sneaky about that truth.
     -- dave, mn     
     -- maria, rio, brazil      
     -- Al, DC      
    Joe, Rochester , Your comment is right on target.
     -- jim k, Austin     
    He certainly knew what he was talking about.
     -- cal, lewisville, tx     
    I guess, for this to be accurate, a definition of "State" would have to be established. If State is used exclusively as power and authority over individuals, the statement is absolutely correct. It State were to define a body of servants, representing individual sovereign's inalienable rights, the statement is absolutely false.
     -- Mike, Norwalk     
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