"While the State exists, there can be no freedom.
When there is freedom there will be no State."
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
[Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov] (1870-1924) First Leader of the Soviet Union
"State and Revolution", 1919
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The two are orthogonal...
 -- Anonymous, Reston, VA US     
    Regardless of how you choose to describe the relationship ... diametrically opposed, orthogonal, inverse, opposite, reversed, upside down, etc. ... more government = less freedom ... less government = more freedom. Liberals love to change the meaning of words to suit their purpose.
     -- Joe, Rochester, MI     
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     -- jiff, liverpool      
    Another of history's gibbering idiots heard from.
     -- Eric, Wichita, KS     
    Eric, you've made me smile, I agree. Also, said well Joe. In the de jure U. S. republic a limited state is freedom.
     -- Mike, Norwalk     
    5 stars for telling the absolute truth. No country on Earth has yet achieved ideal Freedom or an ideal State. I guess that is the endless unfolding drama of civilization. With no State, the individual is self-governing and thus required to voluntarily uphold the virtues (please don't confuse 'virtues' with 'religion') that support Liberty for all -- a utopian ideal for sure, but what the hey, it's still worth shooting for. ;-)
     -- E Archer, NYC     
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    It is fascinating the parallels with the extreme right wing in the USA
     -- Howard, New York     
    Its blunt and the truth. We must admire the dictators honesty. Today the left hides those desires and is sneaky about that truth.
     -- dave, mn     
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     -- maria, rio, brazil      
     -- Al, DC      
    Joe, Rochester , Your comment is right on target.
     -- jim k, Austin     
    He certainly knew what he was talking about.
     -- cal, lewisville, tx     
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    I guess, for this to be accurate, a definition of "State" would have to be established. If State is used exclusively as power and authority over individuals, the statement is absolutely correct. It State were to define a body of servants, representing individual sovereign's inalienable rights, the statement is absolutely false.
     -- Mike, Norwalk     
    True, without individual sovereignty, there is only State/and or Nation sovereignty, not excluding Monarchs. Yes today many speak of sovereignty of nations, well enough, but it is the individual sovereign lifted up from oppression, Set at economic, physical and spiritual liberty which provides the sacred cause of Liberty with Freedom to defend said liberties. Notice how the world stage avoids at all cost, even the mention of "individual sovereignty." it is appalling in America when elites sit in ivory towers carved from the backs, the labor of the once Free. From the local to state and federal governments, all must pay tribute or else, exaction by force.  
     -- Ronw13, Oregon     
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