John Milton Quote

"Here the great art lies,
to discern in what the law is
to bid restraint and punishment,
and in what things
persuasion only is to work."

by:	John Milton (1608-1674) English Poet
Date:	1644
Source:	AREOPAGITICA; A Speech of Mr. John Milton For the Liberty of Unlicens'd Printing, To the Parliament of ENGLAND,1644
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Categories:	Civil Rights, Constitution, Crime, Democracy, Drugs, Freedom, Government, Individual Rights, Justice, Law, Liberty, Morals, Police, Power, Prison, Responsibility, Restraint, Tolerance, Virtue
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Uh, the actual quote is: ..., but here the great art lies to discern in what the law is to BID (my caps) restraint and punishment, and in what things persuasion only is to work.  -- TerryBerg, Occidental, CA
This "great art" that John Milton speaks of (it seems to me) is an art that needs to be interpreted in a justly humane fashion.I thought of how this quote applies to Supreme Court Justices and how it applies to the police in the apprehension and detention of criminal suspects.I sense the need for American dialogue in these areas as this quote pertains to the aforementioned Nouns.  -- KS.      1
Congress has created too many laws, to the extent that we are no longer free. The courts no longer follow the law, rather what they feel is best ... but for whom? The Second Amendment states the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, yet there are laws which require permits to purchase, and more. What part of shall not be infringed to they NOT understand?  -- Joe, Rochester, MI      1
Joe. it's just like the first ammendent on freedom of religion: however, the government gets to decide "what is a religion?"  -- cal, lewisville, tx
The law, though an abstract to corporeal man, is an absolute. Fiscal laws seldom harmonize with political aspirations. Alien potentates definitions (codes, rules, statutes, etc.) seldom match man's inalienable right(s) to life, liberty, property, self protection, expression, or religion. It is a great art, blended with science to discover what the law is. It is the application thereof, that is pure art at restraining, punishing, and in what things persuasion only is to work. The original constitution, know to by contemporary man, has been the greatest outline to which such art may be discovered.  -- Mike, Norwalk      1
A good and thoght provoking quote. Thanks editor.  -- Waffler, Smith      1
That kind of discernment is definitely the gist of justice; this country being so far the only one in this whole wide world indeed capable of reaching it at both the lawmakers' and people's ends, as long as the second Amendment is respected.  -- Elisabeth, Astoria, NY      1
Careless seems the Great Avenger ; history's page but record One death-grapple in the darkness ' twist old systems and the word ; Truth forever on the scaffold, Wrong forever on the throne,- Yet the scaffold sways the future, and, behind the dim unknown, Standeth God within the shadow, keeping watch above his own. James Russell Lowell  -- Ron w13, Or
-- jim k, austin tx
A return to the Common Law would be a great stride towards justice, both civil and social. Commercial/Admiralty law, however, attempts to compel obedience to rules and statutes for which there is no victim, other than disobeying a dictate from the State. The penalties are so high (take the drug war for example) that 'offenders' cannot even mount a defense. The full weight of the State is thrown at millions of individuals whose only 'crime' is disobeying rules for which the legislatures are not even Consitutionally authorized to make or enforce. The checks and balances are way out of whack, and trusting the State to govern itself has resulted in reams and reams of so-called 'laws' every year until a free people have been turned into serfs upon their own land.  -- E Archer, NYC      1

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