"If the Union was formed by accession of States then
the Union may be dissolved by the secession of States."
by:
Daniel Webster
(1782-1852), US Senator
Source:
U.S. Senate, Feb 15, 1833
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 -- Mike, Norwalk      
Webster was saying this in pun because he did not believe it. He would say, "The United State is made up of 'people', not states!" He said it this way meaning he believed in strong centralized government.
 -- cal, lewisville, tx     
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    the federal government was created by the states...not vice versa...and..by inaction states have ceded to the federal govmt.
     -- Buckeye, Wilmington     
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    The federal government, that is the legislature drawn from citizens from the states, created the Union or Federal government. It then went on to create a greater and greater Union by the purchase and settlement of vast tracts of land. The States United created the United States. Make no mistake the United States has certain rights and privileges that have been vested in it by the residents of the states. As for Webster he was from that secessh state of Massachuettes. That issue was discussed and talked about ad nauseum up until the Civel War, its over folks.
     -- Waffler, Smith     
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    Old "Honest Abe" wasn't much in for any States seceeding and thus the war of Northern aggression. Waffler , what on earth is a "secessh state".
     -- jim k, Austin,Tx     
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    The quote is out dated since he was proven wrong. As a Southerner I wish he'd been right.
     -- CHIEF, Ohatchee     
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    Waffler, I make no mistake, I will write this very slowly so that you might understand it. The individual is sovereign with unalienable rights and privileges endowed by his/her/their creator (a God for some, as a faculty of birth for others; either way, beyond man's ability to create). Rights and privileges are uniquely inherent in the corporeal being of tangible organic man and, can not be passed to another (individually or in concert - through a power of attorney, into an abstract concept such as government, etc.) Individual sovereigns can unite and organize as many representative levels as they like and, hire as many servants as are required to fulfill the sovereign's lawful bidding. The abstract concept, government, has no rights or privileges, nor can it receive such. De jure government has authorized duties only, anything else is totalitarian tyranny and dictatorship from foreign despots. The foreign despots do not have rights either, only guns and force. The issue of State secession from the identified union was not settled by the war between the States. The only thing settled in that war was the 'North's' military superiority.
     -- Mike, Norwalk     
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    Mike said well. Do you think the countries that have joined the United Nations are 'allowed' to leave the club? How about the nations that make up the European Union -- do they have a right to change their mind if it turns out the relationship isn't working? How about an abused spouse -- are they 'permitted' to leave the marriage? The union of States was voluntary and unanimous -- every state has always had the right to terminate their alliance with the rest. Massachusetts was actually considering secession years before the southern states actually seceded. There was no doubt then that a state had a right to secede. Remember, that the people ALWAYS have a right to alter or abolish their government -- that right includes the right for a state especially when the terms of the union have been breached. We have a right to contract and to terminate the contract when the parties no longer honor the terms of the contract. Yes, sometimes the termination of an alliance leads to war -- it is just a sign of the war that was already going on covertly. Right now the federal government in Washginton, DC is making war on the people in the states -- and just because a state decides it has had enough, does not mean that Washington will let go of them easily. Slavery is wrong, that doesn't stop the slave owner from doing everything in his power to keep the slave in chains or to kill him outright. Collectivists will always tell their members that once you are in, you cannot get out. It was the Nazis that said that the individual is dead, all live for the state.
     -- E Archer, NYC     
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    Secessh is a nickname if you will for people who believed in secession from the Union. The two folk who advanced that theory of law mostly lived in Massachusetts and South Carolina, initially. It is granted to the likes of Mike and Archer that we live in a world of convention and law. The concepts embodies even int the Declaration "all men are created equal" that are claimed to be from God, still require that the individual accept the premise. It is a ploy to say that your concept is from God and therefore must be accepted. For milleniums and even presently there are many who do not accept that premise and think that they are for equal than others. I think the concept it a good one and in the long term works best for mankind. Agreed that we are biological forms individual and theoretically capable of living without any contact, connection or need for other biological forms, except maybe for food. But man is more than that. He is a spiritual and social creature. The social party makes him also a political creature. Political meaning a need to form policy with his social groupings, This policy making mandate of social interaction creates and requires conventions, concepts and organization. Archer is correct about the need for the use of force. Look around and you will see force every where. If we remove it and have the world Mike envisions we would have utter, complete and non-ending chaos. Archer has it wrong, DC is the people of the states. We might be better off if we did away with all state boundaries and governments and lived as one, Then do away with national boundaries and lived as one planet. We could become the United Planet of Earth. How about that concept?
     -- Waffler, Smith     
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    That was in 1833 in 1850 during the debate over The Missouri Compromise he said this, "Mr. President I wish to speak today not as a Massachusetts man, nor as a northern man, but as an American. I speak today for the preservation of the Union. There can be no such thing as a peaceable secession."
     -- Waffler, Smith     
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    WHILE I DO LOVE ALL THIS PETTIFOGGING ABOUT HISTORY, RIGHTS OF THE STATES AND INDIVIDUALS, IT TENDS TO OBFUSCATE THE ISSUE. LET'S JUST "CUT TO THE CHASE". HERE'S THE LINE IN THE SAND... IF YOU WANT CONSTITUTIONAL GOV'T AS ENVISIONED BY THE FOUNDERS OF THIS REPUBLIC, STEP OVER. IF NOT WE BID YOU BON VOYAGE, AS THERE MANY FAILING COUNTRYS AROUND THE WORLD WHO WILL WELCOME YOU TO JOIN THEIR UNENDING DEBATES AS THEIR COUNTRIES MORPH INTO CHAOS !
     -- Ekent, Portland     
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    An Interesting man. "The devil and daniel webster, is a great book. What do i think? i think im the last of a generation of men that are free. Who know what freedom is. Some one posted "outdated" And this is the main problem, the constitution is a timeless document, one cannot "outdate it" It is eternal, and they have broken the law. I think there are too many people, and our leaders are either jaded, or commiting treason.Or drunk, or both.
     -- Kimo, lahaina     
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    Waffer, are you on the obama staff?
     -- Kimo, lahian     
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    I toured Jamestown settelment today. Their 1606 Charter exhorted them to be "of like mind" and to unite for the good of their colony and furture country. The idea that people came to these shores to be "individuals" and not to ban together and unite is a strange brew of concepts. I know not where some of the above get these ideas. As far as the Constitution being "timeless" some miss the fact that it can be amended any time the populace wishes, so that it is timeless but also as modern as today.
     -- Waffler, Smith     
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