"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time."
by:
Thomas Jefferson
(1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President
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 -- Msoffe, Kurasini      
The discussion is of liberty's origin or source. Those non-believing sons and daughters of liberty attribute the source to existence (and both are right - all rights are unalienable / inalienable). Liberty is a measurement at law. De jure government of the free has NO ! ! ! rights (to compel, license, create victimless crimes, to commit larceny (funny money; income / property tax, etc.) but, corporeal government has duties only. Thus, having NO ! ! ! rights, government can give NO ! ! ! liberty or rights - liberty is inherent in the individual being.
 -- Mike, Norwalk     
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    Essentially, 'liberty' is not granted from other men, it is our natural born right -- and responsibility. The ruling class will not accept such a notion -- might makes right, in their minds, and if we cannot defend our assertion, our inherent rights will not be treated as such -- until the next successful revolution, which history shows may be hundreds if not thousands of years away. America was born out of this declaration, and our fore-fathers fought and died for its ascendancy as the guiding principle for a free republic. The enemies of freedom have never ceased and I suppose will never cease -- the battle is for the hearts and minds of the people -- when enough of us believe we are not born subservient and subject to the dictates of other men, Liberty will carry the day once again.
     -- E Archer, NYC     
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