"The Emperor Constantine, who lifted Christianity into power, murdered his wife Fausta, and his eldest son Crispus, the same year that he convened the Council of Nice to decide whether Jesus Christ was a man or the Son of God. The council decided that Christ was consubstantial with the father. This was in the year 325. We are thus indebted to a wife-murderer for settling the vexed question of the divinity of the Savior."
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Robert G. Ingersoll
(1833-1899) American lawyer, Civil War veteran, political leader, orator of United States during the Golden Age of Free Thought, nicknamed "The Great Agnostic"
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The Great Infidels (1881)
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But, we don't care because . . . we're Christians.
 -- anonymous     
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    Rome was feeding ( Christians ) to the lions long before Constantine became Emperor. The movement to capitalize on the followers of Christ was the motive. They are very good at selling trinkets and idols. Ask a catholic if they are Christian, no I am a catholic. The fact is that the children of the kingdom ( bride ) were cast into outer darkness. But for Rome to take a stance with Peter worked to their advantage. Sell that that you have and lay it at the feet of the church. Socialism was lifted into power. Paul on the other hand, whose doctrines of liberty and freedom, which make men free is a great threat to control and power. Still today the truth is suppressed within the congregations of denominationalism because of fear of loosing control. Satan is not in the bar but in the pulpit. And from there they move to the county, state, and federal seats of power. Casting doubt and maintaining control is the socialist mode of operation. 13 is a good number, it means rebellion. The thirteenth apostle brought liberty and freedom to thirteen colonies which bear thirteen bars and stripes upon our banner. There are 85 pages in Romans thru Philemon, 8+5=13, There are thirteen books in his writings. John 13:20 states, Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. As Paul tells us in Acts 18:6 and also Acts 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the gentiles, and that they will hear it. Isaiah 49 the prophecy of Paul, 4+9=13 verse 6, I will also give the for a light to the gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation to the end of the earth. Remember Paul was saved in Acts 9:4, 9+4=13. We do trust upon the arm of the Lord. As President Washington spoke of Gods hidden arm upon which our nation could boast more than any other people.
     -- watchman 13, USA     
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    As usual, Ingersoll pulls no punches. The Council of Nicea threw out dozens of books of the Bible in addition to making accepting the divinity of Jesus an obligation upon pain of death -- for which millions have been persecuted. Few Christians today can face the reality of this fact. It is not God's word, but the words of men for the purposes of power and control of the people. watchman, your words are indecipherable, are bereft of reason, and resemble the ravings of a lunatic. Good luck with all that...
     -- E Archer, NYC     
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    The best estimates of innocent human beings including children who were robbed, tortured and killed by good Christians are:
    11 million during the Inquisition
    9 million during the Crusades
    And Robert Ingersoll, the Great Agnostic, is famous not only for being the greatest American orator of all time, but also for having a spotless reputation as a moral, industrious, caring, man, husband, and father.
     -- Dick, Fort Worth     
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    Dick, your "good Christians" is a bigot's lie. Your non-mention of the Atheist Mao's 65,000,000 + murders or, Stalin's 20 to 60,000,000 + murders, along with their over all atrocities (in implementation of their Atheist / Socialist utopias) denote's a half truth's ultimate lie. That all means we shall completely dismiss any comment you have here made or shall in the future make on the subject.

    Ingersoll's cherry picking of historical events (such as there were multiple Nicaea related councils with varying conclusions - settling nothing, except maybe for his government's patrons) goes to support an ignorant bigots perceptions, proving Joseph Goebbels If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.
     -- Mike, Norwalk     
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    Archer, if there is anything that can teach a child good understanding is mathematics, for numbers do not lie !
    I was taught the whole Bible not just a part of it. That is the King James Bible. Greek and Hebrew. ( not Latin ).
    And yes it can be summed up in two words, The first and the last words of the book ( IN AMEN ) Revelation Ch 3 : 13,14,15,16
    He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God. I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm , neither cold nor hot, I will spew the out of my mouth.
     -- watchman 13, USA     
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