"We may explain success mainly by one word and that word is WORK! WORK!! WORK!!! WORK!!!! Not transient and fitful effort, but patient, enduring, honest, unremitting, and indefatigable work, into which the whole heart is put."
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Frederick Douglass
[Frederick Baily] (1818-1895), escaped slave, Abolitionist, author, editor of the North Star and later the New National Era
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Prelapsarian Man was ordained to cultivate and keep the Garden.

Infralapsarian Man is ordained to earn his keep by the sweat of his brow.

Noble labor is a necessary concomitant of Life and Liberty for:

Ex nihilo nihil fit.
 -- Patrick Henry, Red Hill     
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    In the context given, YES  ABSOLUTELY !  Patrick Henry, said well
     -- Mike, Norwalk     
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    Indeed!  It's the only way 'progress' has ever been made.  Dogs gotta dig and cats gotta scratch  what do humans gotta do? ;-)
     -- E Archer, NYC     
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    Tending the garden is a great job, if, you enjoy your work. The fruit of your own labor is always sweeter. That being the gift from our Creator. The chase for capital, a worthy cause, never regret the ups and downs, experience is our guide. Enduring hardship with contentment tempers the individual/spirit for honor. 
     -- Ronw13, Yachats OR     
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     -- jim k, Austin      
     -- Mary, MI      
     -- abby      
    If this is true we are not left with any examples of the successful in the conventional arrangement because all the conventional individual displays is play! play!! play!!! play!!!!
     -- Fredrick William Sillik, Anytown     
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    Sillik, in most cases, if work is not "play", you are doing it wrong.


     -- Mike, Norwalk     
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    Mike Norwalk play is evil, unprincipled death promotion. The only winning move is not to play. The only winner is that individual who does not play.
     -- Fredrick William Sillik, Anytown     
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    Fred, you are channeling Rockefeller:  "Competition is a sin."

    Little by little, are you coming to the realization that your philosophy is nothing but another form of authoritarian rule according to you?  No one can play?  No one can compete?  Now I am sure you are alone.  What a miserable existence.  No joy of puppies frolicking, otters swimming, children playing.  No joy of achievement or innovation.  No mastery because someone will be better than someone else at something.  All must be equally bound, labors yoked, "no playing"  a soviet gulag is the end.

    I agree that we need to grow up and take responsibility for our lives.  But this is not a burden -- it's a blessing and an opportunity to awaken to what's really happening and our role in it.
     -- E Archer, NYC     
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    Sillik, the sick, twisted and masochistic philosophy you promote through flagellant word salad is a shallow theater, antithetical to the noble beings joy and progression. When I (not the inorganic phantasm / socialized government) manufactured goods, I very much appreciated competition. Competitors would come up with products that would fit a need of the consumer. I then sought to better fulfill the need with a better product and would act accordingly. The game of consistently improving my product line for the benefit of the customer was a true joy that your socialist god refuses to (can not) offer.
     -- Mike, Norwalk     
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    No, no Mr Archer what I have in mind is the respect and abilities of all the participates. Everyone has their moments as the President in the Socialist world.  I am not alone In the actual real sense because I display real humanity. I am not alienated from myself as you remain. Play is simply not human. Humans look for real substance in their lives, something they can count on, with rules.


     

     


     -- Fredrick William Sillik, Anytown     
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    Mike Norwalk: You or anyone else in this arrangement other than myself don't make any sense. You are devoted followers of fashion and fashion is never ever functional. You "make it up as I go along." Being fashionable you live in a world of pure make believe where all problems are solved with unjustifiable violence. Me, I'm not popular, and certainly not in fashion, but I am functional and in that consideration alone, undeniable correct with the mentally healthy.
     -- Fredrick William Sillik, Anytown     
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    Additionally Mike Norwalk you can't deny we all arrive from dysfunctional families. No one will debate that. You and everyone else have just cowardly accepted the playing psychopath mantle the lasting legacy of the disfuctional family. I am not a player. Players are psychotics and no one I'm sure enjoys life in that condition as you would have us believe. 
     -- Fredrick William Sillik, Anytown     
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    Also Mr Archer as far as our knowledge allows we will be the momentary presidents and honorable ones at that because the force of democracy will be full force. We won't be like our present presidents murderers, rapist, and thieves. We will live honorable, secure in ours beliefs and values are our guiding force. Socialism is the vision of social abilities to create.
     -- Fredrick William Sillik, Anytown     
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    Sillik, you do garner abundant sympathy as your degenerative word salad(s) is/are as erroneous and fallacious as stupid. It appears by your comments that a psychopath mantle will be your lasting legacy.
     -- Mike, Norwalk     
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    Mr Mike Norwalk: You whole psychotic system lives to discredit the mentally healthy. The Socialist system exists to credit the creativity of the mentally healthy. 
     -- Fredrick William Sillik, Anytown     
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    Additionally Mr Mike Norwalk the proof of sickness is overwhelming treating females as a sex objects. Regarding yourself as really nothing more than a object of "success." Scoring the most points in the sick sexual exploitation game is the this sick measure of your "success." We are supposed to love that foolish creature more then sex. Teach her humanness. She appears clueless to the reality of being human.
     -- Fredrick William Sillik, Anytown     
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    And Mr Mike Norwalk a human is a natural artist and scientist. Not your masquerader of the conventional arrangement. He is continually inspired by the natural beauty of the universe. It is his guide.  Having a natural scientific inclination he continually seeks out the natural principles of the universe and additionally uses this for his guide also. Artistic conduct and scientific principled achievement are the characteristics of the human. Aesthetics and principles are the clues to being human. 
     -- Fredrick William Sillik, Anytown     
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    Mr Mike Norwalk: I would like to back up here. I would like to reach an agreement. Although I see you as sick and you see me as sick. Do you wish me to be sick so you win your play? I have nothing to win for you to be sick. So I don't want you sick. Again do you wish me sick?
     -- Fredrick William Sillik, Anytown     
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    Sillik, I wish all my brothers and sisters (which you are one) to be spiritually, mentally, physically, morally and in all ways: well, free, healthy, prosperous, to know joy and to realize the best that they can be.
     -- Mike, Norwalk     
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    Mr Mike Norwalk: the problem I'm having understanding your perspective is the play component in association with wishing to your brother and sisters the best. In play isn't there a winner and loser  as well as being acknowledged as Number one? Doesn't the winner get all the awards and all the acclaim while the loser can get well nothing, death even.  Please explain this misunderstanding I'm having.  My way everyone gets the same basic housing, transport, resources.  No play, no losers.
     -- Fredrick William Sillik, Anytown     
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    Sillik, your myopic definition(s) is stuffed into a sadistic box of what a winner and a looser means to a socialist master with what is associated thereto. History makes that perception an anti-reality lie. My use of the term "play" describes a consistent attitude of joy  helping others in whatever form that takes. I understand the socialist's anti-equal work to wealth as compared to other's work to wealth; / everyone getting the same basic housing, transport, resources is the greatest form of losers there is. I was so poor at one time in my earlier life that I didn't have as much as a vehicle for my young family to sleep in. I worked 2 and 3 jobs at a time with very little time for cat naps. With sufficient funds coming in I secured a roof over my young family's head. I started my own business going door to door selling item's that I got from exceptional parties that trusted me until I could pay them. I built that business by starting to make the best product in my industry and paying my fellow workers more than the industry norm. We all played and had fun doing it  we were all winners / no losers.
     -- Mike, Norwalk     
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    Mike Norwalk wasn't the American civil war known as the war of brother versus brother?
     -- Fredrick William Sillik, Anytown     
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    Mike Norwalk with the consideration that America's most costliest war was also tabbed brother against brother all your saying is you wish me all the best if I was on the right side, but to bad your not say you have to kill me.


     -- Fredrick William Sillik, Anytown     
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    The war had several names besides brother against brother  such as war of norther aggression. The history behind what brought about the war was socialism (from England and Germany  by example: The socialists from England early on established devotees in New England; and, Germany created the PhD program, evangelizing many of America's finest) took over the major universities of the North and bought many politicians and major industrialists. The Northern socialists were taxing the Southern Sates much, MUCH higher than the Nothern States while passing many, MANY restrictive / destructive laws that the North was exempt from. The South attempted to free itself from socialism's tyranny and death. Brother against brother is just another result of socialism's family / economy / love / peace / prosperity destroying implementation.
     -- Mike, Norwalk     
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    OOPS, the Northern States in the federal government were passing laws so that the "South" was taxed at a much, MUCH higher rate than the North.
     -- Mike, Norwalk     
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    Another destructive influence by socialists was the implementation of police departments just a few years before the "War Between the States” (the term “Civil War” is a misnomer). At the founding of the representative (rights and liberty — NOT the physical person) Republic, We The People were afraid of Europe’s socialist style police departments because they were considered a local standing arming that carried out arbitrary rules of foreign oligarchal despots. After said war, the socialist / despotic rulers implementing police departments that enforce socialist despots’ arbitrary will — evolving into demigods that now enforce unconstitutional compelled compliance, government licenses, victimless crimes and larceny with impunity (2nd plank of the communist manifesto, Social Security, police State confiscations, funny money, etc.). Police today are by definition a local standing army that enforce the occupying statist theocracy infesting this land’s arbitrary will. Does the good the local standing army do erase the socialistic battle of brother against brother? You will have to answer that yourself. 
     -- Mike, Norwalk     
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    Sillik, again you are completely wrong. You continually attempt to transpose your sickness on others. It is the socialist that will kill his brother to further enslavement. He who forgets history is doomed to relive it. ;-) ;-) ;-) Sillik, you really had to go a LONG way to stretch that into oblivion  simply, you are wrong again.


     -- Mike, Norwalk     
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    Mr Mike Norwalk I'm not familiar with your literary display presented, however I find it very inspiring due to the forces of the North to attempt a bloodless economic strangulation of the evil "paculiar" institution. That's the way I interrupt what you've written. Excellent.
     -- Fredrick William Sillik, Anytown     
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    Your saying socialism's attempts to stop slavery is tyranny and death. My reading of history says slavery is dead wrong coupled with just plain common sense to enslave another is to enslave myself in immoral behavior. Aren't you saying to supporting the south you are supporting slavery or is your writing refers after the civil war? The south still had segregation. Mr Mike Norwalk I am morally bound to reject slavery or separatism of any kind. I am an integrationist.
     -- Fredrick William Sillik, Anytown     
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    Mr Mike Norwalk my original goal to find some common ground or agreement has stalled out. I'm not sure how interrupt our last exchange. Can you please express or label your belief system once again for me briefly? Thank-you
     -- Fredrick William Sillik, Anytown     
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    Socialism didn't try to stop socialism nor, were their enforcements without violence (so, you are wrong again). Socialists simply enlarged the pool to enslave everyone. The North wasn't doing well until the Christians kept voicing concern over the slave issue (there were a lot of slaves {black, white, indentured, etc. in the north). Finally, the news media erroneously took on a facade of the people's voice in a way that they could deceive all.
     -- Mike, Norwalk     
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    Pardon Mr Archer doesn't being a player have negative conatations? Don't the girls say never date a player? I am alone, quite alone. You players seem to do nothing but disturbing trickery, and also have trick brains and attribute magical powers to me, like I can be in two places at same time.
     -- Fredrick William Sillik, Anytown     
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