"The Civil War is not ended: I question whether any serious civil war ever does end."
T. S. Eliot
[Thomas Stearns Eliot OM] (1888-1965) American-born British poet, essayist, publisher, playwright, literary and social critic
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The Democrats never loose. They just postpone till a better opportunity comes along then it is back to the same old thing. They used to own most blacks on their plantations, now they own most of them in their heads. They still consider the black man their property. Pay attention to how they act when one of their "property" strays and speaks out against them. Or becomes an important person for the other party.
 -- warren, olathe     
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    The "Civil War"should be more accurately titled, The War of Northern Aggression, or Lincoln's war Against the South.
     -- jim k, Austin     
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    A "Civil War" is a war between opposing groups of citizens of the same country. Within the boundaries of that which is now recognized as the United States of America, there has never been a Civil War. Even the War of Independence doesn't qualify as a Civil War as it was State vs. State. When the Union of States (anti-United States) became irrevocably destructive to individual sovereign rights, along with the States protective administrations thereof, it was the right of the People to abolish their relationship to the whole and institute new government. The new States united were then attacked, as jim above so accurately put it, the War between the independent States was most accurately observed as "The War of Northern Aggression, or Lincoln's war Against the South." It is not a "Civil War" that ends or goes on infenitum but rather the elements of conflict. The elements of conflict fought over in the War Between the States were violently infused into a new unconstitutional body politic. The conclusion of active violence did not, and will never extinguish man's inherent need for justice and liberty. The occupying statist theocracy now infesting this land may someday evoke a civil war for, liberty lost at present is far more serious than anytime before.

     -- Mike, Norwalk     
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    Goodie! Another complex "what do we name this?" situation for my [limited] mind to grapple with ( oops ! "with which my [limited] mind must grapple.") I begin with the word Civil. First, we should be "civil" in this discussion. Then think of the nearly limitless ways in which we employ that word, "Civil rights" among them, then list words that employ those five letters arranged that way, "civilian" among them as in Civilian Conservation Corps ( giving away my age ) .. and there was a Civil Air Corps of some sort during WWII, composed of private pilots and their private planes. CIVIL WAR: war between two groups of Civil-ians, I guess. Beyond that it's too esoteric for my pea-brain. Now, how about the labelling of the umpty-ump terrorist groups in the Mideast ??? COMPLICATED WORLD
     -- Bobble, No. Ferrisburgh, VT     
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    Our Republic under siege for 150 years. " Liberty lost at Present is far more serious than Any Time Before ! " Now the civilian army rises, Convention of States, JOIN, our right to forge together unity of knowledge, establishing a Sound conscience among True Patriots. Article V United States Constitution. " legislators" " I do not dispute their right to invent social combinations, to advertise them, to advocate the, and to try them on themselves, At Their Own Expense and RISK. BUT I DO DISPUTE their right to impose these plans Upon Us by law-by force-and compel us to pay for them with our taxes." Bastiat " The Law" " If gov powers extend further into philanthropic endeavors, government becomes so limitless that it can grow endlessly. Legalized plunder under Hamilton and the federalist party was checked, and dismantled by Madison, Jackson, and many True Patriots of/for our Republic. Resulting in one of the greatest times of Peace ever know in this, United States of Americans. Individual Sovereigns all rights reserved and restored, till Northern aggression against the Sovereign Southern states raised its ugly head of socialism. The correct response to both the socialist and corporatists, ( socialist capitalist ) is to cease ALL " legal plunder " which is Extraneous ingredients, which Will Not bear examination, and they ought to be separated form our rightful system of Republicanism.
     -- Ronw13, Yachats OR     
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    Bobble, I like it ;-) making the distinction clarifies the illegality of the war and takes away any justification from the carnal gods / unionists - past and present. The law of nature and of nature's God (a natural law) was to be the lawful premise of the de jure representative republic. Since the War Between the States, that premise has been totally done away with. The labeling of the umpty-ump terrorist groups in the Mideast is by religious affiliation (belief sect of Islam) and/or U.S. State Department funding / arming / training / indoctrinating. Individual crimes perpetrated against persons and property are defined by natural law.

    Ronw13, said well.
     -- Mike, Norwalk     
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    Very good comments by all! The Middle East comes to mind...
     -- E Archer, NYC     
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