"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."
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Abraham Lincoln
(1809-1865) 16th US President
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 -- Mike, Norwalk      
 -- Allen, DC      
Unfortunately, America seems to have sight of this important axiom. The ONLY things keeping the American economy going are the Military (which includes the rape and pillage of foreign sovereignty states), the finance and health Industry, real estate and Wall Street. None of these things actually produce a widget that that a sound economy can be based on.
 -- Robert Edwards, Somewhere in Europe     
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    Sorry! America seems to have lost sight .....
     -- Robert Edwards, Somewhere in Europe     
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    As with America, so also the European nations, Robert Edwards. Fighting among yourselves, genocide, hate, jealousy. Bottle necked. Feeling the boil over from the middle east. Oil greases the wheels of commerce. Which sits under the feet of the middle east. Lincoln's statement lacks clarity. Whose labor ? What type of capital ? And to what degree of higher consideration ? Spoiling of the individual sovereign's ground, that their fruit might be plundered by the merchandising Elite. Merchant economics, basing a nations wealth upon the kings gold. All the while plundering the true wealth of any nation by rape and pillage of the very source of wealth. The laborers Food stuffs. and the homes they build for themselves. The very self reliance True Liberty is to provide, overthrown and disrupted by wars instigated, creating infighting among the " commoner ". High praises for such a slim quote. Seeing so many straddle the fence. Property tax being ushered in by the socialist abraham lincoln. Setting a precedence of " raise the tax, till the individual cannot pay. " Confiscation and robbery at the point of a gun ! To be resold, for the sake of greediness of gain. The world being blinded, reaching for the scraps that fall from the kings table.
     -- Ronw13, Yachats Or     
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    Funny, Robert! Europe has already succumbed from using the same funny money system -- every monarchy in Europe became prey to the banking frauds known as central banks. The Euro replaced the other crashed/crashing currencies, but only after a premium to the Euro central bank.

    Tell me where the US military is and you will find the British there, too. The same players are controlling the US as Europe -- the common people are but the fuel for their designs of holding the power of the world in their hands.

    Robert, your rhetoric is exactly a parroting of the ruling class -- you have taken the bait, hook, line and sinker. The LIE is that others are responsible for the condition and quality of your life - particularly those with more power and capital than you. Never mind that after a lifetime of labor and trade a person has become prosperous -- does he not deserve the fruits of his own labors? The 'rich' are not the enemy, as those favoring the left so quickly proclaim. The enemy is the 'racket' - the very system Robert is trying to make more efficient. That's why they are frequently referred to as useful idiots.

    Rather, why not start by taking responsibility for your life? Take a good long look at what you believe, what you have, what you can do, and make a plan of action. And if you happen to find other self-reliant people, you may associate with them and even make plans together by AGREEMENT. And as long as the agreements are kept, and the plans are workable, the project can be a success. (As long as the group does not try to force the terms of the agreement on those who do not agree.)

    To automatically assume that the rich need to 'pay' you simply because they have it and you don't, is exactly how a criminal thinks! Prosecute theft -- don't legalize it. Taxing by force is THEFT. The leftist mindset is that of a thief.
     -- E Archer, NYC     
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    Archer, go back to 1913 And Americas desire to to control the world. Creating this mess through their covert operations with ISIS and others has cause this unholy mess. America should be made responsible for ALL these refugees - creating havoc in Europe was their long term strategy. "Divide and conquer" America has caused nothing but mayhem in the middle East and Europe is paying the price for their folly.... Where were all the cries of outrage when children were found on the beaches in Gaza. And by the way Archer your response goes off in to many different direction for me to reply, sorry. America can stop this if they want too the key is, do they want to. All your rhetoric is to no avail as it does not change the playing field one bit. We must be active and not just shout out dribble...
     -- Robert Edwards, Somewhere in Europe     
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    If it were America, they, the gov forgot to ask Americans !! Robert ! Old European families, dominating the slave labor here in America ! Try European influence, of the whole mess !
     -- Ronw13, Yachats Or     
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    Robert, And how far back do we go to address the ambitions of the British monarchy? When did England become a peaceful nation only concerned with its own country? What happened in 1913 in the US? Who were/are the private owners of the Federal Reserve? Look to England, Germany, France in addition to US banks.

    I think what you mean to say is that the US government lost all control once they allowed a foreign entity to provide the currency in exchange for all the gold the nation possessed and a law preventing its use as money from there on.

    Robert, Americans are to blame for being deceived by their leaders and for not reclaiming their sovereignty. The Brit has never been responsible for himself, he is the subject of a Crown -- with good behavior earns privilege while the common man is simply a serf bound to the dictates of the Crown via His/Her government. (The Queen frequently refers to the Parliament as "my" government.)

    Britain's genocidal history precedes the imperialism of the US military. I do not defend the unlawful actions of the US military, but the power-brokers in Britain continue their own imperialist policies, using the US as attack dogs. If you want to understand global power, you have to start looking at the central banks. The average American or Brit knows NOTHING about how the global power structure operates -- another reason why the vote of the common man will never be a solution.

    Robert says "America has lost sight." Who is America? Sight of what? That capital is the fruit of labor? Generalities like this are 'dribble.' When you throw something out like that, what do you really expect anyone's response to be? 'Gee, thanks, Robert, your advice is really clear and inspiring.' Not bloody likely.

    It demonstrates again a lack of responsibility and just placing general blame of Americans -- no distinction made, just all Americans. All have lost their way. This parallels the same religious bigotry you take such an understandable offense to. Preaching secular statism is just to promote the religion of power with man as god. For a person who does not believe in god, why do you support the creation of seats of power to be occupied by whomever manages to swindle their way to them? Demand less from government and more from yourself.
     -- E Archer, NYC     
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    To the quote, the British subject is the property (capital) of the Crown. His labors are the Crown's to command. He owes his life and allegiance to the Crown who is recognized as God's regent. All the land belongs to the Crown -- it is the King's land, the King's deer, and the King's Highway. Ultimate power and authority rests with the Crown and is delegated according to the Crown's wishes. This 'law' is the same in ALL the British Commonwealths around the word. The Queen is the head of state of them all!

    My feeling is that Robert's complaint is that America will not embrace such an order, and his arguments consistently treat the common man as a helpless wretch, in need of the care of the state authorities. A common theme from the left is that the common people are poor and helpless -- 'victims' of capitalist society.
     -- E Archer, NYC     
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