It is eerie how often the founding fathers were prophetic in their warning voice to the future generations of Americans. This is what made the founders such great men: They knew history for what it WAS, not what they WANTED it to be -- and through such realization, they created a system and philosophy of government that addressed the issues of actual history in principle of maintaining freedom and liberty to those who would yet live. The applications, systems, and players of history change, but the principles are eternal. It takes a very special individual to say, like Thoreau, "I wanted to live deep and suck out all the marrow of life...to drive life into a corner, and reduce it to its lowest terms, and, if it proved to be mean, why then to get the whole and genuine meanness of it, and publish its meanness to the world; or if it were sublime, to know it by experience, and be able to give a true account of it..." -- The fact that so many men who did just this were congregated at the same time and place to found this nation is almost enough to make a person believe in a supreme being. -- Logan, Memphis, TN
Right on Logan. I believe our Founding Fathers were inspired by a Higher Power to accomplish what they did. We,who call this our homeland would be wise to call upon that Higher Power to assist us in our endeavors to reclaim these sovereign
United States for our selves and Our posterity!! -- Me Again, Every Town,USA.
I'm not a very religious man, but something so simple as a return to "God Given Rights" might be all that is required.
The founders must have been divinely inspired. -- J Carlton, Calgary
Prothetic indeed, though nothing to do with divinity just good old common sense, an ingredient so lacking in today's politicians. Any calling upon a higher power to intercede in our demise will fall on deaf ears – when will we take on the responsibility ourselves – get out of our Ivory towers and the comfort of our living rooms and bring back civility and common sense to our world. When will the WO understand that they will never overcome the people (as long as we get off our backsides). -- RobertSRQ
Logan, exactly. We hold these truths to be self evident. -- Mike, Norwalk
Some folk believe that the Founders were Christians. Some may have been but Jefferson , Franklin and Adams were Deists. Jefferson had no trinatarian belief whatsoever. Fundamentalist Bible believers would give anything if they could find any proof that our Founding Fathers were Christians, as they define it , but they will never find it so. -- kilpeg@austin.rr.com, austin tx
Describes now quite well.
-- G■l■k Zolt■n Leenderdt Franco Buday, Vancouver, GVRD(Paine Cnty), Coastal Lwr Mainland BC(State of Neo Sumer), U.S. of Eh!
Robert makes a very good point. When it comes to 'power,' government and religion have indoctrinated us into believing that we are 'powerless' without 'God' or governors. We are constantly appealing to a 'higher power' be it by submitting to religious dogma or calling the police. We must make the shift back to ourselves. WE have the power -- we just aren't exercising it -- and we are afraid of what will happen if we resist bad rules. We are intimidated out of our power everyday when we see how powerful the military is, the churches, the police, etc. We are scared into disarming ourselves in every conceivable way. Then once we have 'submitted' our power to a central governing body to fight on our behalf, the powers remain in their grasp even when the external enemy is no more. These government departments are then re-focused to domestic issues whereby the very people who granted the power are now under surveillance and suspicion as enemies of the state. Happens all the time. Remember when we call upon 'God' to help us, our enemies are doing the same. Both have God on their side and are justified in any cruelty or tyranny -- "Oh, God, please destroy my enemies!" That is what the Islamofascists say, too...! Instead why not pray, "Dear Lord, help me to take responsibility for myself, to face my tribulations with courage, to live within my means, to be humble and kind, to have the strength to resist those laying claim to my property and labors, to curb my desires for more and more and more. Let me see that my cup runneth over and that this life is a precious gift not to go wasted as a comfortable slave with a needle in my arm. Help me to understand the Laws of Nature and to be in harmony with them instead of trying to rein them in to wield for my personal gain. Oh, Lord, help to expose those lies I hold so dear and release me from their bondage -- Let the Truth set me free!" -- E Archer, NYC
Archer ;-) you had better be careful and quit reading The Book, you're starting to sound like a real Christian. When confronted with the concept that God is on our side President Lincoln countered in effect with we should pray and worry earnestly whether we are on God''s side. - much more in keeping with Archer's statement. AND, kilpeg@austin.rr.com, austin tx, your qualifiers do help to exonerate you a bit. Trinitarian doctrine is not biblical in nature, thus Jefferson's and others belief differences; doesn't mean he wasn't Christian, it just meant he didn't adhere to certain extra-biblical dogmas consistent with Catholics and Protestants. -- Mike, Norwalk
Wow! Archer, well said. you forgot - 'Oh, Lord, save me from your followers.' The reason why goodness shall always prevail over evil is that goodness needs no memory - the force is stronger when the focus is pure. -- RobertSRQ
Right now it is exactly the opposite. Those ranting against war are in fact tyrants and helping other tyrants to succeed against us. -- warren, olathe
-- Logan, Memphis, TN
-- warren, olathe
